# Verdi daemon stuck

**URL:** <https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748>\
**Category:** General Usage\
**Created:** [July 3, 2026, 1:28pm UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748 "2026-07-03T13:28:02Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 7\
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**Author:** ![AndresOrtegaGuerrero](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/aiida.discourse.group/andresortegaguerrero/32/187_2.png) [@AndresOrtegaGuerrero](https://aiida.discourse.group/u/AndresOrtegaGuerrero)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 1:28pm UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748/1 "2026-07-03T13:28:02Z")

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Hi,

After several attempts to repair the process, the `verdi` daemon remains stuck.

So far, I have tried:

- Restarting the daemon with `verdi daemon restart`
- Running the repair process again
- Increasing the number of daemon workers by adding an extra worker

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/aiida/original/1X/3821b2f18be02cf4b9d7b79f3668785237c9aca7.png)

Unfortunately, none of these steps have resolved the issue, and the process remains stuck.

I’m using **aiida-core 2.6.3**.

Has anyone encountered a similar issue or have any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this further?

Thanks!

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**Author:** ![giovannipizzi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/aiida.discourse.group/giovannipizzi/32/17_2.png) [@giovannipizzi](https://aiida.discourse.group/u/giovannipizzi)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 1:43pm UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748/2 "2026-07-03T13:43:15Z")

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If you are retrieving a huge file, it might simply be very slow in retrieving? Can you monitor the network usage to see if it’s really retrieving the cube file?

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**Author:** ![yakutovicha](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/aiida.discourse.group/yakutovicha/32/18_2.png) [@yakutovicha](https://aiida.discourse.group/u/yakutovicha)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 1:50pm UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748/3 "2026-07-03T13:50:08Z")

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Just to follow up on @AndresOrtegaGuerrero 's request. We have multiple users with similar problem. For some reason, daemon looses track of the processes and they get abandoned. The `process repair` command does something, but that seems to be not enough.

I also checked the output of `verdi process report` for the “abandoned” processes, and I couldn’t make a consistent picture out of it. Sometimes there are no report messages, like in the case of Andres:

```auto
verdi process report 230331
*** 230331 [kp_35_kb_465_471]: CalcJobState.WITHSCHEDULER, scheduler state: JobState.RUNNING
*** Scheduler output: N/A
*** Scheduler errors: N/A
*** 0 LOG MESSAGES

```

Sometimes there are many (different user):

```auto
+-> ERROR at 2026-06-27 16:34:29.696037+00:00
 | Traceback (most recent call last):
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/paramiko/transport.py", line 2271, in _check_banner
 | buf = self.packetizer.readline(timeout)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/paramiko/packet.py", line 380, in readline
 | buf += self._read_timeout(timeout)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/paramiko/packet.py", line 609, in _read_timeout
 | raise EOFError()
 | EOFError
 |
 | During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:
 |
 | Traceback (most recent call last):
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 205, in exponential_backoff_retry
 | result = await coro()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/tasks.py", line 195, in do_update
 | job_info = await cancellable.with_interrupt(update_request)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/utils.py", line 115, in with_interrupt
 | result = await next(wait_iter)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 611, in _wait_for_one
 | return f.result() # May raise f.exception().
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 258, in __step
 | result = coro.throw(exc)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/manager.py", line 181, in updating
 | await self._update_job_info()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/manager.py", line 132, in _update_job_info
 | self._jobs_cache = await self._get_jobs_from_scheduler()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/processes/calcjobs/manager.py", line 98, in _get_jobs_from_scheduler
 | transport = await request
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 284, in __await__
 | yield self # This tells Task to wait for completion.
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 328, in __wakeup
 | future.result()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/asyncio/futures.py", line 201, in result
 | raise self._exception
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/engine/transports.py", line 87, in do_open
 | transport.open()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiida/transports/plugins/ssh.py", line 498, in open
 | self._client.connect(self._machine, **connection_arguments)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/paramiko/client.py", line 421, in connect
 | t.start_client(timeout=timeout)
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/paramiko/transport.py", line 699, in start_client
 | raise e
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/paramiko/transport.py", line 2094, in run
 | self._check_banner()
 | File "/opt/conda/lib/python3.9/site-packages/paramiko/transport.py", line 2275, in _check_banner
 | raise SSHException(
 | paramiko.ssh_exception.SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner

```

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**Author:** ![yakutovicha](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/aiida.discourse.group/yakutovicha/32/18_2.png) [@yakutovicha](https://aiida.discourse.group/u/yakutovicha)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 1:50pm UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748/4 "2026-07-03T13:50:48Z")

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It has nothing to do with huge files, for some users the jobs gets stuck for days

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**Author:** ![giovannipizzi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/aiida.discourse.group/giovannipizzi/32/17_2.png) [@giovannipizzi](https://aiida.discourse.group/u/giovannipizzi)\
**Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 3:17pm UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748/5 "2026-07-03T15:17:10Z")

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We really need to first try with AiiDA 2.8 and the new asyncssh - in our experience this already fixes a lot of issues.  
Or even better, we’re going to soon release ZeroMQ instead of RabbitMQ that seems much more reliable (it’s already on main). @yakutovicha @AndresOrtegaGuerrero how reprodubile is the problem? Is it worth preparing an AiiDAlab image for AiiDA main (so it’s also ready for 2.9) and test - at least from the command line if the apps require update - if this fixes the issue? with @edan-bainglass and Moritz we had a similar issue (combined with slow network and slow HPC) and the new code solved it

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**Author:** ![ali-khosravi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/aiida.discourse.group/ali-khosravi/32/58_2.png) [@ali-khosravi](https://aiida.discourse.group/u/ali-khosravi)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2026, 10:08am UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748/6 "2026-07-06T10:08:59Z")

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Agreed with Giovanni, **aiida-core 2.6.3** is one and a half year old.  
I remember we solved several bug as such. Try our latest stable release: [v2.8.0](https://github.com/aiidateam/aiida-core/releases/tag/v2.8.0)

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**Author:** ![So-coder-ai](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/free1/user_avatar/aiida.discourse.group/so-coder-ai/32/426_2.png) [@So-coder-ai](https://aiida.discourse.group/u/So-coder-ai)\
**Post date:** [July 15, 2026, 9:19am UTC](https://aiida.discourse.group/t/verdi-daemon-stuck/748/7 "2026-07-15T09:19:09Z")

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yea i agree with Giovanni too , go ahead with the stable version